Real Talk Ryan Jespersen

Prime Minister Mark Carney says Canada’s deep ties to the U.S. are now a liability (and they need fixing) as Donald Trump’s tariffs keep workers in our auto, steel, and lumber sectors squarely in the crosshairs. Is this any different than the PM's message over the past year? We get into the strategy behind it with Supriya Dwivedi (3:45) in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West. 
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37:15 | Was Pierre Poilievre a winner at UFC Winnipeg alongside Canadian fighter Mike Malott? Supriya takes us into the optics - good and bad - of the Conservative leader's very public appearance. We discuss Canada's next potential Olympic hosting bids, and allegations Alberta's UCP government is gerrymandering (1:04:20). 
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1:15:00 | Jespo and Johnny are all geared up for Game One of the Oilers' playoff run. We check in with Real Talkers in our Live Chat powered by Park Power. 
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Real Talkers KP, Chris, and Brenda are fired up over UCP gerrymandering allegations; Nathan's taking back a couple flags; and Roger calls Jespo to the carpet for his comment about adult autograph seekers. It's The Flamethrower presented by our amazing friends at the DQs of Northwest Edmonton and Sherwood Park!
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We didn't see the "Daddy Carney" comments coming, but you never know what you're going to get around the Real Talk Round Table. Six months after their election wins, Calgary Mayor Jeromy Farkas and Edmonton Mayor Andrew Knack (3:30) dig into infrastructure woes, electoral boundary changes, provincial relations, infill strategy, a potential Winter Olympics bid, high speed rail, Alberta separation, and more in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West.  
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1:08:00 | Does the new One Project, One Review agreement between Alberta and Ottawa - and Alberta's proposed 120-day approval legislation - actually make the province more competitive? Shauna Feth, president and CEO of Alberta Chambers of Commerce, has her Eye on Alberta Business. 
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1:25:00 | Jespo tees up a big event he's hosting, including a tip for anybody getting dressed up in a tux. Real Talkers tell us how they feel about door-to-door sales in the Real Talk Live Chat powered by Park Power.
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1:47:00 | Real Talkers KP, Chris, and Brenda are fired up over UCP gerrymandering allegations; Nathan's taking back a couple flags; and Roger calls Jespo to the carpet for his comment about adult autograph seekers. It's The Flamethrower presented by our amazing friends at the DQs of Northwest Edmonton and Sherwood Park! 
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Is there any more successful provincial branding campaign in Canadian history than Alberta Beef? Distillers are hoping Alberta Whisky sees the same international uptick with the (pending) passage of the Alberta Whisky Act, which sets strict standards for anything branded Alberta Whisky. We get into it with Minister Dale Nally, Bryce Parsons from the Alberta Craft Distillers Association and True Wild Distilling, and Bill Eaton and Kris Sustrik from Hansen Distillery in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West (2:30). 
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1:01:00 | Real Talker Jenni in Grande Prairie might be more excited than anybody else in Canada for the 2028 World Cup of Hockey! She authors this week's Alberta Wins presented by Play Alberta. 
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1:05:30 | Have you been following the public meltdown of Airdrie pizza shop owner Farouk Elsaghir? Real Talkers have their say in our Live Chat powered by Park Power.
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Remember the Epstein files? Those documents tied to one of the most disturbing, high-profile abuse scandals in modern history? The ones that were supposed to bring accountability, transparency, maybe even a little justice? Funny how they seem to keep…slipping out of focus. The Trump administration has been accused of doing its best to keep those files buried (or at least conveniently out of reach). And just when it felt like the story was fading for good, First Lady Melania Trump steps up to the mic with a press conference that raises more eyebrows than it answers questions.
So, what’s actually going on here? Who’s being protected? And why does “sorry” seem to be the go-to response when accountability is nowhere to be found? Leah Eichler joins in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West (6:00) to talk about her piece in The Globe and Mail. Make sure you stick around for her shocking expose on "alpine divorce". 
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36:00 | Is it only a matter of time until Pierre Poilievre loses more MPs to the Liberals? Tasha Kheiridden tells us what she's hearing out of Quebec. 
TASHA'S FEATURE on "CARNEY UNENCUMBERED": https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tasha-kheiriddin-get-ready-for-mark-carney-unencumbered
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1:03:00 | Jespo and Johnny see what Real Talkers are saying about future floor crossings in our Live Chat powered by Park Power.
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1:17:30 | The Jasper SkyTram opens today! Jespo shares a few of his favourite memories from this iconic Jasper experience in this week's #MyJasper Memories presented by our friends at Tourism Jasper. 
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1:22:30 | Real Talker Scott in Sherwood Park says people should give Avi Lewis a fair shake. Do you agree? 
1:35:00 | It's "Mean Tweets," Real Talk edition! Jespo shares more than a few responses to our conversation with Max Fawcett about Alberta separation. 
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PM Mark Carney has his majority after the Liberals sweep three by-elections in Ontario and Quebec. What does this mean for the government, Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives, and everyday Canadians? We get into it with Shannon Phillips, Tyler Meredith, and Ken Boessenkool (4:45) in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West. 
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52:00 | Is Canada even prepared to actually build the major projects everybody's talking about? Is a skilled labour shortage hampering our economy? We check in with Sean Strickland from Canada's Building Trades Unions. 
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1:29:00 | We can't help but check out a couple trending videos - Pierre Poilievre calling Mark Carney "badly educated on economics," and Donald Trump gaslighting everybody about his AI photo as Jesus Christ. Real Talkers have a lot to say in our Live Chat powered by Park Power. 
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If the Liberals sweep the by-elections in Toronto and Terrebonne, QC - or even go two for three - there'll be no looking back for PM Mark Carney. Then, there's the possibility even more MPs could cross the floor to what would be a majority government. What's the likelihood it all plays out this way? We ask National Observer lead columnist Max Fawcett (4:15) in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West. 
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51:30 | Cardiac surgeon Dr. Steven Meyer and University Hospital Foundation president/CEO Dr. Jodi Abbott give us a perspective check on the importance of cardiac care (including heart transplant surgeries) at the Mazankowski Alberta Heart Institute, and how the Full House Lottery plays a critical role in fundraising. 
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1:13:20 | What a weekend! Jespo and Johnny recap Justin Bieber, Justin Trudeau, and Katy Perry at Coachella, Artemis II returning to Earth, and Rory McIlroy going back-to-back at The Masters. 
1:31:00 | Real Talker Emily G passes along a curious photo from Pierre Poilievre's adopted riding of Battle River-Crowfoot. What do you think is going on?
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1:37:00 | MAGA's officially lost Megyn Kelly. 
1:44:00 | Real Talkers Mike and Sabrina share their thoughts on the true value of the Artemis II mission. Positive Reflections is presented weekly on Real Talk by our friends at Solar by Kuby.
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"Why Knott," Wayne and Greg in Calgary, and Robert react strongly to our April 8 interview with Alberta's Education Minister Demetrios Nicolaides; Michael says "both sides" don't need to be better with online harrassment, Kyle's worried Iran will be rebuilt before his back alley, and Les says Jespo's off the mark with his Kraft Hockeyville comments. It's The Flamethrower presented by the DQs of Northwest Edmonton and Sherwood Park!
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Close to 40 Conservative MPs fear Pierre Poilievre will cost them their seats, party insiders tell the Toronto Star. What does this mean for Mr. Poilievre and the CPC? Journalist Raisa Patel joins from Ottawa (8:00) in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West. 
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30:20 | Real Talkers chime in on floor crossings and Poilievre's future in our Live Chat powered by Park Power.
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34:15 | Support for Alberta separatism is at a five year high, say pollsters at Pollara Strategic Insights. Dan Arnold joins from Liberal Convention in Montreal to dig into what's driving the numbers.
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48:45 | Real Talkers Carmen in Bonnyville and Shane East of Edmonton tell us why they're skeptical about the support for Alberta separation.
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54:30 | After taking a puck to the face at an Oilers game just six days ago, local legend Sean McBurney joins us from the jobsite to show off his shiner. 
1:08:45 | Jespo shows a gnarly photo of his own puck-to-the-face injury ten years ago this month.
1:27:10 | "Why Knott," Wayne and Greg in Calgary, and Robert react strongly to our April 8 interview with Alberta's Education Minister Demetrios Nicolaides; Michael says "both sides" don't need to be better with online harrassment, Kyle's worried Iran will be rebuilt before his back alley, and Les says Jespo's off the mark with his Kraft Hockeyville comments. It's The Flamethrower presented by the DQs of Northwest Edmonton and Sherwood Park! 
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"The Liberal tent is so big you can drive a truck convoy right through it." MP Marilyn Gladu's floor crossing from the Conservatives to the Liberals is raising more than a few eyebrows. Does her past support for conversion therapy, the Freedom Convoy, and alternative COVID therapies inherently conflict with Liberal culture? Is PM Carney going too far in his quest for a majority government? Poll analyst Philippe Fournier joins (5:40) in our feature interview presented by Mercedes-Benz Edmonton West. 
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41:00 | Jespo and Johnny debrief after the Philippe Fournier interview, and get a bit whimsical about religion and science. 
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54:00 | Shout out to the Alberta high school students delivering Days for Girls and Pedals for Prosperity supplies in the Dominican Republic! We celebrate their service in this edition of Alberta Wins proudly presented by Play Alberta. 
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57:15 | Talk about a turnaround! We revisit the Marilyn Gladu floor crossing with a look at what the MP said about Mark Carney one year ago. 
1:18:30 | Donald Trump's base is crumbling. We hear from Megyn Kelly and Marjorie Taylor-Greene, and Real Talkers have their say in the Live Chat powered by Park Power.
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